sekiharatae | Taking my toys and going away...

I don't know how many, if any, of you are aware of the whole RedBootton uproar on fanfiction.net, but I've been encountering rumblings here and there and finally did some digging.

What I decided, after reading what info I could find that came direct from the author, is that I don't like it. Not because of the MA scare that has so many people upset, but rather the failure of the ff.net admins to address the rampant concerns of its members. Not because of the current searching the program is reported to do -- although I think the details of what criteria it uses are far too sketchy for comfort -- but rather because I worry what it will be searching for in three months time. When these self-appointed policemen have reported every MA story, every story in script format, every story that has a 'trollish' percent of grammar/spelling errors, what will they go after next? I've checked the sort of stories the 'Literate Union' consider to be 'shit' (as it was put by one of their members), and they have far fewer errors than what they are, currently, looking to have removed from the site. Will that change? Given the self-righteous nature of the program's author, I suspect the answer is yes.

I could be wrong -- I hope I'm wrong -- but I don't want to be there if or when the escalation happens. I also don't want to post anywhere that I feel I have to constantly worry about a false positive getting my stories deleted -- and I do feel that way. I feel that way, and I don't think I should have to. I feel like... Big Brother is watching, and even if he's not watching me, it's not comfortable to know he's there.

For the record, I acknowledge that the admins are not required to make a statement or acknowledge member concerns; but it is still something I feel they should do. In addition, I acknowledge that ff.net is a public site, and 'Lord Kelvin' and the 'Literate Union' have every right to report stories that are in violation of the TOS. Anyone in violation of the TOS has no room to whine if they get caught: you can think the rules are silly, and you can even decide to break them, but you do so willfully and have to be willing to accept the consequences. Admittedly, the chances of facing those consequences were far more slim before the 'Literate Union' decided to police the site. They grew exponentially with the release of RedBootton. But, the risk was always there. Complaining that it's unfair now is both foolish and overly self-entitled.

However, I also I think this move by Kelvin and the LU is a mistake, and can't imagine what they think they're going to accomplish in the long run. To use an analogy, ff.net is our little suburb, and instead of creating a neighborhood watch, these people have decided to become vigilantes. While super heroes are cool, nobody really wants one patrolling their neighborhood with his xray vision, reporting every minor infraction -- and if one did, it wouldn't really improve our quality of life. People would move away, property values would drop, and the last man out would be left holding the keys to a house he couldn't sell. To top it off, it really wouldn't matter that the vigilante had been obeying the letter of the law, because he'd completely failed to uphold the spirit. He's supposed to protect us, not make us feel persecuted, contantly needing to look over our shoulder for our own good. I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't feel (and still don't feel) threatened by the existence of poorly written fic on ff.net, but I do feel threatened by someone who apparently has a 100% success rate getting stories banned, and seems to have an axe to grind.

Even if he's not waving his axe at me, I don't like his attitude.

So: I will be posting my stories on AO3 over the next few days, and deleting them off ff.net as I go.

ETA: Here's a link to my home on AO3.

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I never knew they were doing something like that...I have an account on FB, and I think I will be watching that now...Thanks for the heads up!

I feel stupid, but the only thing I can think of for FB is facebook, and that can't be right! So... what's FB? =)

As for the head's up, you're welcome! Just remember that I could be wrong about what's going to happen. ^^; Time may show that I'm over-reacting... I just really don't like how the existence of this program makes me feel.

Sorry Tae, that's my bad. Fingers went for the B when I needed another F! XP

I haven't posted anything to ff.net in aaaaages (I've only used it for reviews and story alerts...), so I don't feel particularly threatened. Might go back there and delete what I have, though. I also made an AO3 account recently, bt haven't really cracked down to post anything, mostly because I've already gone through the trouble of re-coding and re-posting (and sometimes re-writing!) all my best hits to a dreamwidth account: http://lurker-the-writer.dreamwidth.org (I have invites!)

But if you're in AO3, we could, uh, friend each other or whatever they do. *hasn't poked around the possibilities yet*

I am going to have to go see your account on dreamwidth, obviously. =)

I posted a number of things to AO3 yesterday. I made a point of moving anything I had on ff.net that might be considered to be against the TOS. Interestingly, I've been a member there for so long that I had several stories that were against the current TOS (contained scripting, etc.) but which had been fine when I actually posted them...

I'll add my AO3 location to the post in a few. =)

o_0 Because of lack of internet lately, I haven't anything that's going on with ff.net... So, if i've got this right, people are going to be going through the fics for adult content or something?

That's pretty much the immediate fear that has so many people on ff.net in an uproar. The program -- RedBootton -- will scan all of the stories in a particular directory on ff.net for certain types of infringements: script format, list format, excessively bad English, and improper rating. Excessively bad English seems to be defined as 200 errors per 1000 words. The improper rating part will be checking for 'MA' (stories containing sex) that are rated 'M'. When or if they'll get around to checking FFVII fics is unknown, but from the way the author of the program talks, scanning the entire archive is definitely the plan.

Oh, how crap! I'm gonna have to go and make sure all mine are properly rated... i'll probably just end up deleting them. >_< Someone always has to spoil people's fun.

Hey, Tae. What's doin' here? I don't understand any of what you're concerned about re: fanfiction. What's RedBootton? What's MA ? What's TOS, Lord Kelvin, and the 'Literate Union" and finally, what's AO3, where you are going? Mom Calling for help. mc

Hey, MC. Redbootton is a program a group called the Literate Union created to sift out mature adult(MA) fics, fics with poor grammar, and any any other fic that doesn't meet their self-proclaimed terms of what's correct. I don't know what AO3 is or who/what Lord Kelvin is, but I do know that TOS is the general rules of the site, though I forget what the acronym means. I hope this helps!

Oh, and for you and anyone else who's reading this, Valentine'sNinja and I, ObsessiveCompulsiveValkyrie, started a community here on lj to post our fics on. Feel free to watch!

vvfanfiction.

AO3 is Archive of Our Own (I googled it)

Hey =)

Technically, they are using the fic guidelines to make their determinations of what has to go: with the exception of the 'abysmal English' check, everything else is called out in the guidelines. The poor grammar/spelling thing is called out as well, but exactly what that means (how many errors) isn't stated, so this is actually the part of their scanning that upsets me. I don't understand why someone would want to be an ff.net vigilante, but except for the ambiguity in the English requirement, everything else they report is against the TOS.

As for Lord Kelvin, that's the penname of the author of RedBootton.

Hey MC.

Valk already answered some of this, but I'll try to give you my take.

In the words of one of the founders: The LU -- The Literate Union -- is a society that helps to improve the quality of stories on FanFiction that either break the rules or are poorly written. In the case of the latter, we try to help the author, bringing their piece up to standard. Difficult cases are reported to the admins.

That doesn't sound too bad, but in practice it's considerably less friendly than it sounds.

In the first place, it means they've appointed themselves the policemen on fanfiction.net. Any infringement of the TOS (that's terms of service, and anyone who joins has to agree to them) they come across -- and they seem to be actively looking -- is reported. On the one hand, they have every right to do this. On the other, it seems unnecessarily aggressive, and it rubs lots of people the wrong way on principle. The LU treats all infractions as equal and equally reportable, whereas many others (myself included) see shades of gray. If they wanted to go thru the archive and get rid of any instances of kiddie porn, I'd say: more power to you. Wanting to go thru the archive and find every instance that contains a few lines of script formatted text? Not so much.

Secondly, it means that they look for stories they feel are below par, and every Saturday they pick one story to descend upon en mass to leave reviews. Each review is supposed to contain constructive criticism, but they also openly admit they include flamers in their numbers, and that many members aren't there out of the kindness of their hearts, but for the lulz. I therefore suspect there are people who are targeted who don't feel that they are being 'helped' in any way. Personally, I think anyone with a brain would realize that receiving multiple reviews, in succession, that tell an author all the ways they suck isn't likely to be taken in a positive fashion.

In any event, that's the LU. An author calling himself 'Lord Kelvin' is a member of this group, and deciding that sifting through the stories 'by hand', so to speak, was too time consuming, he wrote a program to do it for him. That program is RedBootton.

There are several things RedBootton is designed to look for, but the one that has people on ff.net scared are stories that contain sex. LU describe these as 'MA' stories masquerading as straight 'M'... and there are a lot of them on ff.net, and all of them are an infringement of the TOS.

For myself, the MA thing isn't the issue. I think if you break the rules you have to be prepared to get caught. For me the issue is the checks the program does for bad English. Exactly how it does this hasn't been detailed, but I've been using word processors for far too long to trust a program to get that right. No word processor in the world has a default dictionary that's sufficient, or a grammar checker that doesn't report far more false errors than it does correct ones. I don't believe this amateur policeman has gotten it right when Microsoft and Corel, haven't. Sooner or later, it's going to report someone who hasn't done anything wrong. I firmly believe that, and the fact that it hasn't yet doesn't reassure me. Especially since I used to test software for a living! =) And I don't believe the onus of proving this is a concern should be on the writers who haven't done anything wrong. Kelvin should have the sense to stop checking this particular aspect, since it's the one that has the well-behaved authors upset. Instead, he's convinced his program can do no wrong.

I also think the criteria for good/bad English will change, given time. When they no longer can find any of these 200 errors in 1000 word stories, they'll look for 100 errors in 1000 words. I just... think that's what the trend will be. I can't prove it, I can just say I'm suspicious. I hope I'll be wrong.

Lastly, AO3 is a newer fanfiction archive that's been setup in the last year. They allow MA stories, and have quite a number of interesting ways for people to search. The number of stories there is far smaller than what's at ff.net, but hopefully it'll gain popularity. I'll include a link in my post above.

*HUGS*

Thx, Tae. Very Big Brother, sounds like. Time will tell how much of a problem this will be--I've already got some of you favorite writers bookmarked for LJ, so maybe I can keep up with the best if enough jump ship. It'd be a shame for new writers, who may be quite young and unskilled, to be shot down before they really get going, though. And depending upon how they manipulate the interpretation of Mature content, I might be crying the blues, 'cause I enjoy spice, citrus etc. MY only criteria is the quality with which it is presented and the rationale for it. I can see where something like the LU could be useful if it's implemented with charity and good will. But mean is mean and I would hate to see fanfiction--which has meant so much to me--get ruined by a handful of critics with an agenda. Thanks again for the clarification, Tae. mc

You're welcome. On the MA thing, they appear to be walking a fine line between 'explicit' and simply sensual. Determining how graphic a story is, I think, is difficult. Basing it on how many times a certain word is used -- or if certain words are used -- isn't necessarily the way to do it. If 'clit' is a 'bad' word, for example, then 'he touched her clit' would result in flagging... whereas 'he brushed his thumb over the eager bundle of nerves between her legs' is actually more graphic, but may not even get noticed.

Um... I mentioned I worked in software QA, right? ^^; I'm good at thinking up ways software will fail.

So, in short, if they ever start wandering through the FFVII fandom, yes, your spice will most likely be affected. I am certain there are chapters of Behind Closed Doors that would have resulted in reports, for example.

It's worse than that, though. Apparently some authors have used chapters to ask for input from their readers, which then ups their review numbers when readers reply. Therefore, using chapters for anything other than story content is now forbidden on ff.net. (Exactly how else you're supposed to tell everyone who reads one of your stories that, for example, you're taking a hiatus for a year, has not been addressed. I've had up on my profile that I'm leaving for days now, and yet I'm still having stories favorited. >.<) Anyway... you and I both know and love at least one author who has broken this rule for very good reason. Even though nothing in her stories themselves should get her flagged, those chapters will, should this group go looking. And the fact that she hasn't broken the reason behind the rule will have no impact on her getting reported.

All that aside, you should friend me here on LJ, MC! Then you'll be able to see everything I post on your friends page. =)

This is super stupid, what these stupid people doing that it. I wish the Admin over at FF.net would do something about it.

Say Tae, what's your account on AO3?

I think it's stupid as well, and hearing from an admin on ff.net would go a long, long way toward making people feel better. The program went active in August, however, and there still hasn't been a peep.

Adding a link to the post for my AO3 account.

Wow. As an author on ff.net, I am surprised to have had NO IDEA that this was going on :(. Though I am sad that you will be removing your fics, (save your reviews at least!) as long as you discover some new method of posting that involves email notifications of updates, I am completely supportive of your decisions.

Hope things are going well.

Hells bells. Another bunch of vigilantes on the loose in cyberspace, huh? I was completely unaware of this; thanks for the heads-up. Their MO sounds very similar to the charming crew who wreaked havoc over on DeviantArt a couple of years ago.

The one thing working against them is the sheer size of FF; the InuYasha section alone has well over 50,000 fics posted, for example. I predict, that like the DA posse, they'll run out of steam long before they clean up the town, er, site.

May I friend you over here? Then I won't lose track of you again!

Friend away! Do you mind if I friend you back?

And you're welcome. They're... extreme, is probably the best word I can use. One of the leaders of the group was talking about 'patrolling' the Watchmen fandom. Not reading the stories there, but just actively policing. It's disturbing.

Do you mind if I friend you back?

Please do!

Argh. I'm afraid that 'the Pit' is earning its nickname yet again. This lot sounds very similar to the DA annoyances, who took it upon themselves to ban every instance of 'child porn' they could find. Okay, sounds noble and all - until it became clear that their definition included anime/manga/games with 15-yr-old characters because they decreed that such characters couldn't be 'aged up'.

In other words, a fanart of DC!Yuffie kissing DC!Vincent was considered 'child porn' because she was only fifteen in the original game. *eyeroll*

Hello! You probably don't know me, but I regularly read your fics, and I'll be following you wherever you decide to go. That said, AO3 does not yet have a subscribe/alert option (though it's clearly in the works), so for the time being, I'll be subscribing to your journal here to catch your fics. You are, of course, under no obligation to return the favor; I'm just letting you know so you won't wonder "who is this strange person friending me" next time you see your LJ alerts. :)

Hey there, and welcome! =D

talk about straining the bug and gulping the camel -- shouldn't they be trying harder to catch plagiarizers and people who write pedophilia than people who have grammar and spelling errors? most of the fics i've read have malapropisms instead of actual spelling errors --malapropisms aren't going to register as misspelled words. *shrugs*

from what i understand, their record with dealing with plagiarism is extremely lacking.

You would think so, but apparently it's a lot harder to catch the really bad things with a program, so they're focusing on the small fry. ;)

Malapropisms won't register, and real words that are correctly used and spelled will, because there's no possible way their dictionary contains everything. >.

Did not have any idea any of this was happening. I wish I could figure out AO3's formatting/searching--my attempts have been in vain. I guess interface-wise, it's a little messy for me. Am glad, at least, that I've got you here for updates, if my email alerts of your updates will be no more.

I love your icon. <3

As for AO3, itt does take some getting used to, but once you become adjusted to the difference, it works fairly well. My biggest complaint would be the site's use of checkboxes rather than a scrollbox, because it alters the users's perception of the choices available. It looks like the fandom list is huge -- bigger than ff.net's -- when it's not really, but since you see them all at once, rather than in 10 or 20 item sections, it seems that way.

I have had good luck browsing either the Rurouni Kenshin fandom or the Compilation of FFVII fandom, and then picking the appropriate relationship under the Relationship section of 'Filter Results'. I don't know if that will help you. ^^; And, admittedly, a large portion of what you will find right now is, um, mine. *face palm*

Heh, thanks (the other half of that image is this icon).

Yeah, those checkboxes are cumbersone--and those lists get super long and tedious to go through. Not to mention, the redundancy in tags is a little frustrating (both Vincent and Vincent Valentine?).

Thanks for the tips--will try to figure it out. And as for your domination there, well, at least we know the average quality so far is pretty high, then, eh? ;)

*wanders by from lj content search*

Heya. I help run AO3 in a number of different capacities. I'd be happy to answer any questions if you've got them.

The reason there's both 'Vincent' and 'Vincent Valentine' is that users tag both ways. AO3 lets you put whatever you want on your story: there aren't set character tags like on FF.N. Unfortunately, since there are lots of Vincents in lots of fandoms, we can't make 'Vincent' and 'Vincent Valentine' the same thing. The way it's set up, all of the different Vincents in all of the different fandoms are sub-tags of plain 'Vincent'.

Usually, the most helpful way to search is to filter by fandom and then by 'Vincent' or to filter by 'Vincent Valentine' (and not filter by fandom at all).

We let people use what they like, but the tradeoff is that it's a little messy. The advantage is that you don't have to submit requests or wait. Any time you post something, you can add any fandom tags, pairing tags (usually "A/B"), friendship tags (usually "A & B"), character tags, or other random stuff like "women being awesome" or "fluffy romance" that you want. It doesn't matter if people have used them before or not. (Of course, you can always encourage your friends to use tags that are more specific and easier to search on like full names instead of just given names, but we're not going to put that in the site rules.) This lets us have different tagging styles in different fandoms, like if some people want to use "lemon"/"lime"/"citrus", and some people want to use "NC-17"/"PG-13"/"PG" or something.

AO3 is still in beta too, and we love feedback! (We'd love it if we weren't in beta too, but now is when the site is under development and bigger changes are possible.) If you'd like to submit some feedback, please feel free to use the "Support and Feedback" links at the bottoms of AO3 pages. Comments about searching/filtering and things that make the site hard to use get passed along to the coders/designers/etc.

I think the life of a tag wrangler is fraught with peril. ;)

Seriously, I love the site! The 'Series' feature is my personal favorite, as I tend to link all of my stand alones together in some fashion. On ff.net, I stuck them all in one 'story', but I'm sure I missed readers because the 'story' was never finished (even though it consisted of 28 or so complete one shots). This way I can have the one shots AND the series. Huzzah!

It's just very time consuming pulling over a hundred stories from ff.net to AO3. ~.~

Hah! You've got that right! :D

Yeah, switching to a new site (or adding a new site to the list of ones you use) is always a big time investment, unfortunately. How is the FFN-->AO3 importer working? I know it had problems in the past, but it's supposed to be working better now.

Importer seems to work fine. I've had a few problems with my older stories -- things I posted to ff.net back in 2000 -- coming in with funny spacing, but I think that's a result of ff.net stripping out user formatting at some point. I've had some words missing letters, too, for the same reason I think.

Oh, yeah. Time to pick up and go find another place to be a fangirl, methinks. I could rant about free speech and all that, but meh. There are plenty of other places online that will be happy to let us post whatever the Hell we feel like.

Exactly. Arguing with these people is pointless, as they are convinced they're doing the right thing, and can't understand why people who aren't rule breakers would have a problem.

There are some really nice features over at AO3. =D

I learned about these characters from a Smallville community here on LJ where they reported that LU had gone through the House section already. The fact that they now have a program was news to me, and it does worry me. But you're right. If we posted content that violates the TOS, then we have no room to complain about what's happening, but it still would be a great shock to come home and realize that something you've worked so long and hard on has been deleted by these self-righteous... jerks(I have more colorful words, but I'm trying to be civil:).

I agree that ffnet has some serious issues with their priorities when I've seen how long it takes for the admins to go and take down a story that has been reported(by many people) as being plagiarized. At this rate, the site is going to lose their best watched/reviewed authors, and hopefully when the hits begin to decline, they'll do something about these "vigilantes."

I guess some people just get off on hurting others and that's why they join this "movement." Well, that and the fact that they probably have no life and too much time on their hands. I took a look around last month and found a list of stories waiting to be inspected for the violations, and while some of the comments were of people who actually wanted the author to improve their style/content, others were just there to cause misery. They even mock the replies some of the authors made towards them. It really is a sad, sad world when your creativity is stifled this way.

I think I just need to work up the courage to delete my oneshots, and find some time to edit out scenes from my multi-chaptered fics. Once I finish my current projects, I'll seriously consider leaving ffnet for good and look for a new home. It's a sad thing, because I think I've been with ffnet for about ten years now(-_-since I was fifteen, I think). But anyway, I'll be sure to follow you, too, since you're one of my favorite authors. I really hope someone puts a stop to this cult sometime soon.

Being civil and non-judgemental is difficult. That's kind of why my post doesn't go into detail about exactly what they're doing.

However, aside from some personal opinions on the nature of these people, I cannot say definitively that this will harm most of us. I just really really really really (can't emphasize enough, really) think that the chances that it will are far too high. So maybe outlining what and how I think this will screw people over would be a good idea.

Your entire last paragraph makes me sad, because you shouldn't have to feel that way. *HUGS* Yes, we should all probably delete anything that we know, flat out, breaks TOS. But you shouldn't have to worry that your one-shots aren't written well-enough to avoid having these crazies report you. You're a writer who is legitimately trying, yet these yahoos have made you feel uncomfortable. That, in a nutshell, is why I'm leaving. *HUGS*

I am very sad with this whole business, and thank you for posting your opinion/ what you will be doing now. I just checked out this new AO3 site, and i love it! Of course it could use a few tweaks- for instance, more descriptive categories like on ff.net (specify genre of story, complete/ not complete ect) but I think this site will go far! Thank you for posting your stories there! And once again, thank you for always writing such fabulous work- I'm always cheering for you

One of the neat things about AO3 is that you can, essentially, add your own descriptive categories on the fly. If you are publishing a story that you think needs to be tagged as darkfic, you can just enter that as a tag, and it will be displayed and become searchable. There's supposed to be a way (I think) to tag existing stories with additional flags that you, as a reader, think they need... but I don't know how to do that.

Heya. I do tag wrangling on AO3, so I can answer questions about tags if you have any. The thing with story labeling is that we're trying to let writers (and in the future artists and vidders) choose their own styles for that. If they want to add extra information like "darkfic" or the name of the person they wrote the story for (if any) or "I wrote this years ago and it's really embarrassing now but someone asked to see it" or anything else, we want to let them. But if they just want to post quickly and not have to spend hours filling out that information, we want to let them do that too.

On the other hand, the site is new and people aren't used to the tag/header styles yet. Many authors may not be familiar with all of the site features yet. If people like descriptive categories, they can use them and encourage their friends to use them, and they may catch on more. Hint, hint. ;D

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Here is some TL;DR about the posting form: when you go to post a new story, you see the required categories of 'Rating' and 'Archive Warnings'. Those are a specific set of mandatory categories that relate to site rules as laid out in the Terms of Service.

Below that is a box for Fandoms. If you start typing, various suggestions will come up on the autocomplete. You don't have to use those! You can type in whatever you want, regardless of whether anyone has posted things in that fandom before.

That's it for mandatory information. The rest is optional.

Category: We give people the option of selecting F/F, F/M, Gen, M/M, Multi, and Other.

Relationships: These can be pairings ("A/B") or friendships ("A & B"). People can format these any way they want (e.g. "A x B"), but the tag wranglers will eventually make official versions that show up in site filters. Currently, the guidelines for official versions use slashes and the & symbol and are alphabetical by family name. Lots of users have their own styles like putting the name of seme first or putting the names in the order that sounds nicest when you read it aloud.

Characters: Again, we tag wranglers have some guidelines for the versions that show up in site filters. Users can add anyone they want in any format they want. It doesn't matter if people have tagged with that character before or not.

Additional Tags: And, finally, there's the category where you add what people normally think of as "tags". Darkfic, aliens made them do it, women being awesome, juvenilia, fluffy romance, lemon, lime, oh my god dinosaurs, I wrote this when I was drunk, my best story ever, winner of the blah blah award, etc. Anything you want can go here.

You can also write a summary and/or add author's notes at the beginning and/or end of the story. You can include the story in a particular collection or indicate that it's your assignment for a fic exchange. There's a field to list recipients (fic exchanges or plain old presents). The recipient will get a notification when you post. There are also checkboxes for if the work is a remix/translation/was inspired by something, if it's part of a series, if it has multiple chapters, and some other stuff.
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Basically, if you're finding that you don't have enough information about stories, you could encourage authors to make more use of the summary text box and especially the "additional tags" field. Additional tags is the place to list genres. A lot of authors also list things like "incomplete and discontinued" or "movie canon" ("book-movie canon fusion", "based on the third game", etc.) there. We don't want to make this kind of thing mandatory, but if you tell authors that it helps you find their fics and that you appreciate seeing it, I'm sure lots of them will start using those fields more.

I have to admit I hadn't heard anything at all about this until you mentioned it here, but from what you've said, I can see what you mean about it being Big Brother-like. I don't put up much on ff.net myself as of yet, but it certainly makes me feel a little nervous, even if I'm pretty sure that I'm not infringing any of the TOS. I think that there really does need to be a limit to things, and even the TOS are very subjective and somethings things really need to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis... something that a computer program is incapable of doing.

And then what happens if someone has made up a language, or is using bad grammar on purpose, to enhance their writing? They'd probably get reported. Surely there has to be a limit...

Exactly. So exactly.

LadyTeefStrife here, from fanfiction... I saw your profile there and I did some research about LU and RedButtoon... Well, only wanted to thank you for the heads up. If this ppl check any of my fics I'm doomed T.T
The instant I get my laptop back I'll create an account here and I'll stop posting on ff >.< I already did enough once, I don't want to be there again when the trolls come. Again, thanks :) and I'll follow you here, if you don't mind ^.^

Even if he's not waving his axe at me, I don't like his attitude.

My thoughts exactly! Not that I'm an objective party, obviously. But even if I weren't involved with AO3, the LU would leave a bad taste in my mouth. I roll my eyes just as much as the next person at bad grammar and purple prose, but this kind of activity only serves to make everyone insecure and nervous. If anything, it has more of an effect on talented perfectionists than on people who are so bad that they honestly don't know their writing is no good. The way to get more good fic is to encourage everyone, good and bad.

Wow. My apologies for commenting late, but I haven't posted to FF.net in forever and was completely unaware of this til now. I've got some stuff up that violates the TOS - sexual content and what not). I have an account over at AFF.net, but no one honestly looks at that (and I hardly look at it anymore cuz of a lack of good content and all the freaky shit people are into). AO3 looks interesting...I might join up.

Thanks so much for the heads up!

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Making procrastination look productive.

Taking my toys and going away...

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