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Does anyone else have an inner grammarian that comes along and complains at inopportune moments?  And -- technically -- the grammarian is correct, but that doesn't necessarily make the writing better?

I want to describe Tifa as wearing the same clothing she'd worn the night before.  Or as wearing the same clothing she'd worn the night previous.  Or the same clothing she'd worn previously. (Although I like being specific that she wore it at night, not just in general.)  Or as wearing the same clothing she'd worn the previous night.

All but the first are correct, but -- dangit! -- the incorrect one sounds better!

So I asked my husband.  

He said:  Does anyone really pay attention to that anymore? 

(I raised my hand.) 

He said: I mean besides you and the Grammarian Your Mother Warned You About (which is the nickname we have for a friend of ours).

I know that the 'no ending a sentence with a preposition' rule has fallen out of grace, and that it's generally only followed if it would make the sentence sound stupid or awkward.  But now I'm annoyed that I can't figure out a way to write the sentence where it is grammatically correct by the rules I learned (ages and ages and ages ago) and still sounds... good.

Date: 2009-07-16 08:31 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] amethyst-key.livejournal.com
*Meekly raises hand* I notice that kind of thing all the time.

My friends get really mad at me when I correct them when they talk... which I do all the time. I also notice when they write things wrong in books or in fanfiction.

>.>' I've been a bit of a grammar freak since I was small child.

(Btw, the last one sounds good, too!)

Date: 2009-07-16 10:30 am (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
What about "prior night" or "previous night" ..?

Date: 2009-07-16 11:02 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] dillyxdally.livejournal.com
Yeah, i'm like that, except it's more with other people's writing than my own.

But when i'm beta-ing, I tend to go with what sounds good rather than what's right a lot of the time, unless of course, the sentence is really bad.

Date: 2009-07-16 12:59 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
Totally. So, so totally. Actually I AM my inner Grammarian. And my husband's even worse!

THAT SAID I also believe that good writing trumps all. If the grammar is a bit off but the writing is better for it, keep it.

Also, "the night before" has kind of entered the vernacular as well. Heck, the Beatles have a great song called that. =)
Edited Date: 2009-07-16 01:01 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-16 04:44 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/jane_drew_/
I concur with "the night before" as a phrase that's now common enough as to be unremarkable-- and also think that the "no ending a sentence with a preposition" now falls under the "more like guidelines than actual rules" part of English grammar. ;-)

The CCC grammar website's discussion of the "prepositions at the end of a sentence" issue claims that it was a fairly late grammatical rule, and has now been replaced by focusing on clear/non-awkward sentence construction:

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/prepositions.htm#ending

The Easy Writer list of the top 20 grammatical errors doesn't include "putting a preposition at the end of a sentence" on it, which leads me to believe that the authors don't see that as a grammatical error per se.
http://bcs.bedfordstmartins.com/easywriter3e/20errors/

Hope that helps!

JD

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Date: 2009-07-16 09:07 pm (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
wouldn't it be easier to reword the whole thing? 'she'd fallen asleep in the clothes she woke up in'? (or is that the same problem--'in which she awoke won't do at all!), 'she woke up in the same clothes she was wearing when she fell asleep'... or leave it the way you had it, 'cause hardly anyone is going to worry about it if they notice it at all--I know; YOU'd know and whatever you write has to pass down your arm to (figurative)pen...I snoozed when the whole preposition rule thing was explained--if it ever was-- so I never really got it anyhoo.
mom calling

Date: 2009-07-17 04:52 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] fatexstay-night.livejournal.com
I especially hate people who use good instead of well. Like, YOU DID SOOOO GOOD! and I'll be like, Thanks....it's well. *is shot*

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